Originally by: Spartacus Cray

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Tactics are dictated by webrange. Make just for fun a gallente toon, invest few days in training and join the Gallente militia.
In most cases, you are able to warp off if things go south.
Now do the same with a caldari toon. As soon as someone actually fires at you, you are in most cases pinned down, as nearly every opponent fits tackling gear without gimping his ship.
Then you go to your nice militia office, and have a look at the statistics. Caldari kill/death ratio is worse then the red armies' record in WW 2.
All those great tactics with "specialized" ships are worthless in large blobs.

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Originally by: Bobbie Chilli

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Originally by: Imaos

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Originally by: Bobbie Chilli

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Pointless discussion anyway tbh as this is an old issue and not one likely to change in the future. Make no mistake though, the playing field is not level.

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Yep. Caldari need to organize and think in PvP and are brainless in PvE. Caldari could rule fw, especially as highly specialized is better than jack of all trades. At least in theory.

Imaos

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Other ships are not jack of all trades they are simply better in pvp ships and it is largely due to their ability to tackle more effectively. They are all faster for a start. A few examples of this would be a comparison between the sacrilege and the cerberus : Sac has scram, web, mwd and is faster. If a cerberus fits that amount of tackle it has 2 midslots left for tank. The same an be said for the beagle when compared to the deimos.

What is this magic attribute that caldari ships have that makes up for this complete inability to field ships with a natural amount of tackle required for pvp and the ability to sustain that tackle i.e at a minimum a mwd and disruptor.

Ahhh what about supreme caldari ewar u might say! That makes up for all the weaknesses and you cant have everything! Wrong.

You see the thing is about caldari ewar is that it doesnt actually hurt the target very much except when combined with the ewar from another race. If you think about minnie ewar then u have web range which not only prevents your own death (stop them catching you then u live) it also helps kill the target (stop them getting to the gate and they die and if u paint them up then they die alot faster). With the amarr we have a similar scenario... neuts kill the targets cap and kill there tank, ability to chase you and ability stop you warping away. Gallente have damps which stop you dying so easily and disruption range which helps make sure your opponent dies.

It is so much easier to gather a fleet of any other race and be effective because they all have ships bigger than frigates that are designed to fit the tackle they need. This makes the fleets easier to form and it makes flying solo with those ships easier.

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Originally by: Uda Nahn

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Originally by: kill0rbunny

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This is not wow.

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Sorry how should I know? I never played wow - you apperently can make the comparison

And to the rest of your intellectual output Mr. Naseweis , just calling everyone else, that has a different opinion , a noob or not having a clue just reflects your own incapability to reasonably argue over something.
We do not ask for bigger and better ships, we do not ask for a Gallente nerf û all we ask for is some tweaks on some aspects of missile (which not only Caldari uses) and the introduction of some additional tackling gear for all - not just Caldari ships, located outside of med slots. So why are you opposing more options, which apparently some people would like to see? And is this a reason to call other people noobs??

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Originally by: Damned Force

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Edited by: Damned Force on 24/07/2008 13:22:06
The problem is with the snipertheory that except bigger fleets where u can have a specialised group of antisupport small snipers is no reason to use them....
If u in a small gang and u have 2-3 eagle or ferox or moa, is not worth to use them because u make the mistake u split your gang, so if a ship from the attacked gang decide to engage them, they have no firepower to kill him before arrive and than they defendless, cutted from the rest of the gang. Is much more worth to use just an another closerange damagedealer.

Even in bigger fleets, why bring an eagle or ferox to tke out enemy support ships if u can bring a rook or scorp or bb and shut down 2-3 ships from the enemy gang with single ship......

They usefull, but just in very very specialised situations

PS: missiles are no sniper weapons. change all missle flightime bonus to missile velocity bonus

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